GreenEnvy22
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Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:44 am

Hi all,
I live near Toronto, and have a 60km each direction commute, almost all highway. So 120km round trip. I only drive that whole distance 1-2 times a week, as we have a carpool so I often drive less than half that distance, sometimes only like 5km.

I'd like to go the electric route, but not looking to majorly affect my budget as we just had a 3rd kid. My thought is that I currently spend about $200/month on gas, so if I were to get a used EV and have roughly $200/month payments, it's mostly a wash.

My workplace has said I can hookup a car to an available 120V outlet for free, and our carpool lot also has free chargers at it. If I wanted to have a 240V outlet added at work, they would be fine with that if I paid for it to be installed, but I'm not sure I need it.

We would still have a second vehicle (minivan) for longer distance driving, and maybe for the odd time charging or range would be an issue for me (super cold winter day like -20 C). I could take the van that day and leave the EV for my wife.

I'm seeing several 2016 Soul EV's with 120-130,000 km on them for sale around $11-12,000 Canadian. This would work out to right around $200/month if I finance for 4 years, with tradein or sale of my current car.

With 130,000 on it, I still have maybe 2 years of battery warranty before I hit the 160,000 limit.

Any thoughts on if this is a good or bad idea? does that high mileage sound risky? I'd try to get a state of health report on the battery from a Kia dealer before purchase if possible. I also do have a bluetooth OBD2 reader and torque pro I could try looking with.

Thanks for any input.

rscamp
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:35 pm

I'm also looking at getting a used Soul EV. I have one I am interested in and if I buy it will be in the next week or so. So I might have more information to offer soon. :)

The mileage will affect warranty and some wear items like brakes, but I'd be more concerned about battery health because it can be determined as much by treatment as by mileage. Definitely get a report on the battery health from an EV certified Kia dealer.

Being in Ontario, are you aware of the Plug 'n Drive Incentive program for used EVs purchased from anywhere that will be plated in Ontario? It is worth a $1k CDN rebate if you sign up, test drive an EV at the Electric Vehicle Discover Centre, attend an "EV 101" Seminar and buy a used EV. You get a certificate that along with proof of ownership and insurance gets you the rebate. I can provide more info via PM. I would also suggest joining EV Society and attending some local chapter meetings to rub shoulders with other knowledgeable EV owners. :)

rscamp
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Mon Apr 29, 2019 2:12 pm

GreenEnvy22 wrote:Hi all,
I live near Toronto, and have a 60km each direction commute, almost all highway. So 120km round trip...


You will gain about 8 km/hr when charging Level 1 at work but probably a bit less than this in winter. I'm not sure how much less - perhaps someone with more experience can comment. But if you do the math it looks like range safety margin might get a bit thin on a cold winter day when your total range on a single charge might reduce to only 90km or so. Also consider that as the battery ages, the usable range will further decrease.

notfred
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:22 am

With your commute, I wouldn't buy a 2016 Soul EV, I think you are pushing things too much.

I'm presuming by highway you are actually going to be travelling at ~100km/h. The Soul is a big square box and the range really suffers being driven on the highway. Also the high speed requires high power and this can wear out the battery.

Secondly I wouldn't bet on more than 100km range in winter. Toronto is warmer than Ottawa, but you still get those cold days and that really takes a bite out of the range. Charging at work would save you there.

If you were sitting on the highway in stop/go traffic then you would probably be fine, but I think you would be disappointed overall.

If you do buy any form of used electric vehicle then you need to check the battery State of Health very carefully and check if the battery warranty transfers to you.

JejuSoul
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:36 pm

notfred wrote:With your commute, I wouldn't buy a 2016 Soul EV, I think you are pushing things too much...

I agree. An older Soul EV about to go out of a warranty is probably not a good idea unless :
1/ you are willing to drive slower than usual,
2/ you are willing to to do without heating and cooling the cabin,
3/ you are willing to stop and charge mid-route if necessary.

Given that you are car-pooling I doubt this would appeal to the other riders in your car.

I did buy a used EV. And it does save a lot of money. My car can't drive very far or very fast, but my commute is only 10km.
The codes for using Torque Pro can be found by clicking the link in the website icon under my user name on the left.

KeeperArtemus
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Thu May 02, 2019 9:01 pm

GreenEnvy22 wrote:Hi all,
I live near Toronto, and have a 60km each direction commute, almost all highway. So 120km round trip. I only drive that whole distance 1-2 times a week, as we have a carpool so I often drive less than half that distance, sometimes only like 5km.


I just purchased a used 2017 Kia Soul EV+ with the 27 kW battery pack. On the way home I had a 50 mi (80 km) stretch that was all highway at 65 - 75 mph (104 - 120 kmph). I didn't use the AC or the radio to save energy. With full charge the battery only showed 76 mi (122 km) of range. Upon arriving at my destination I had 7 mi (11 km) of range remaining with a low battery warning displayed. I was getting quite nervous. Now, this was relatively high speed and it doesn't have low-rolling-resistance EV tires on so my energy use was rather high.

However, your commute would only be 60 km or 37 mi. Assuming the battery has a max of 50 mi (80 km) range, this means upon arriving at work you could possibly have 20 km remaining. That means you only need to charge at least 40 km to make it home. A level-one wall charger will charge 6 to 8 km per hour. On the conservative side, you will charge 40 km in 6 hours and 40 min. If you are sure you can always charge at work than I would say that this car could be feasible for you. Do take into account that in winter your range will be reduced. As well as if you use AC/heating. The battery will also degrade over time and range will reduce.

At worst, you may have to find a charger to stop at those 1 to 2 times a week for a short bit before heading home. If you are mostly driving just 5 km then this car will be great. If you are willing to alter your lifestyle a bit the Kia Soul EV will treat you well. You could always wait for a 2018 model or newer for increased range, but I think you could make it work now.

Just my thoughts with my experience with my Soul EV. Don't take these calculations as your real world expectations. Good luck, and let us know what you choose!

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Mon May 06, 2019 3:05 pm

So I'm in the same boat as the OP.
I'm likely looking at some of the same vehicles he is after a bad experience trying to buy a used Leaf from a Nissan dealer.

I had a few questions, apologies if the info is already in another thread. (please point me there if you could)

1) Is the remote pre-heating/cooling functionality now available in Canada?

2) Any issues transferring the battery warranty in Canada? Would it be crazy to buy a used SoulEV knowing it was at or close to the 70% replacement level just to get a new battery?

3) There is a lot of talk on Leaf forums of the ability shortly to purchase after-market compatible battery packs for the leaf to increase the range to about 360km or was it miles... Is there any reason to think it couldn't be pulled off in a SoulEV (not with the same configuration/packs obviously)

4) Please point me to the software I need to download/buy and the Dongle I need to purchase for the ODB so I can confidentially select from available used models. (Granted I need to be able to detect a BMS reset as well....)

5) Can someone confirm if the SoulEV's battery can be replaced in parts? (i.e. sections of cells packaged in groups)

I'm looking to buy when I have free time in about 2 weeks.

I put about <20km/day on my commute each weekday, and it's my family's 2nd car. Finally replacing my 2000 Camry...... it can vote, drink, and die for this country. Most environmentally friendly thing I could do is not junk it. Found a family who could use it.

Thanks in advance. I've likely forgotten a number of questions.

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Mon May 06, 2019 4:33 pm

Right, one more thing:

Some of these higher mileage 2016 ev's appear to have been used as taxi's in their prior life. As said as much in one of the for sale listings.

Can anyone think of any particular pros or cons regarding its use/behaviour in regards to the EV wear and tear (and hopefully the obligation of the driver/owner to keep the other parts in could repair)

Thanks again.

notfred
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Tue May 07, 2019 9:27 am

I think a 2016 Soul EV as a 2nd car with a ~20km commute makes an excellent vehicle - that's my setup although I bought mine new! We also tend to use this as the default car for running errands.

1) Remote pre-heat/cool is only on 2020 models in Canada.

2) Discuss with the dealer and get it in writing about if the battery warranty is transferable.

3) No technical reason aftermarket battery packs can't be made for the Soul EV, but with the lower numbers of Soul EVs vs Leaf there may not be the demand. If there is a shop specialising in EV batteries then I'm sure that they could do something.

4) There are 2 different software apps that run on Android phones that can read the battery. One is Torque Pro and then you need to add a bunch of files manually to get it to understand the Soul EV. The second is far easier and Soul Spy:
https://github.com/langemand/SoulEVSpy/ ... /README.md

Recommended OBDII dongle is a Konnwei KW-902 Bluetooth OBD-II dongle

5) There are signs that the latest batch of battery warranty replacements have been with re-manufactured packs i.e. where they have replaced some modules in the battery. It still needs the whole pack dropping, then opening up and then modules could be replaced.

I would avoid taxis - they have probably been DC fast charged way more than a normal car.

When you are looking at the battery, you need to check out the "State of Health" or SOH. N.B. This actually starts at 110% as there is a 10% hidden part of the battery health that can be used up without the range dropping. If this is good, you then need to look at the Cumulative Charge and Discharge figures and see if those figures are close to zero - a BMS reset will reset the Cumulative Charge / Discharge to 0 and the health to 110%. If you have good health i.e. >90% and good Cumulative Charge / Discharge i.e. high numbers then the battery is good.

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Tue May 07, 2019 8:05 pm

That's some great information, thanks.

Now I have to dig up that post I read last week last suggested new data/research (with more samples) show less/no degradation due to DC quick charge.

I ordered the Bluetooth dongle, thank you. I think it takes 8+ days to arrive and I wonder if I should visit the used car dealer without it.

Perhaps the original poster wants to DM me? Have you spoken to the dealer yet or gone for a test drive? Have you used the dongle? I'm not able to head out there for the next two weeks.

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