warren55
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Thu May 30, 2019 5:32 pm

I bought my 2016 as certified pre owned with 8500 miles a couple months ago for $14K, which sounds like a steal until you do the conversion from US to Canadian dollars! Closer to $19K for you.

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Fri May 31, 2019 5:21 am

That was an incredible deal.
Do keep in mind, my car is now one year older, with ten times the mileage, and was formerly used as a taxi cab.

I'm waiting on hold right now with Kia to ask again if my battery was replaced because the GOM is showing 56km range, SOC 44.5%, SoulEVSpy SOH is 110%.... Nope they swear no warranty service since 2017....

At some point the battery will be down to 20% to force the calibration. At 20km / weekday I'm still right on track still for the full 150km range....

warren55
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Fri May 31, 2019 8:05 pm

How many Kilometers have you driven it so far on the current charge?

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:16 pm

So I just drove about 152 and have 16km left of charge.

SOC is 13.5%

Just plugged in and SOH still at 110%

KIA says no warranty battery replacement occurred.

Min/max percentage deterioration at 0

This car has 120,000km on it and it's 2.5 years old.

Maybe the battery doesn't recalibrate until it's charged up again. Perhaps someone who knows these cars better can suggest.

I will mention that I drive at least half the time on B mode and reach ECO Level 8 quite quickly. 20km bumper to bumper each day would do that. I believe that can explain the longer range between charges, as there's a reasonable amount of recharge going on while coasting.

I think it's a great car and I'm happy I got to get my first EV this way. I've attached pics now that the roof and mirrors were wrapped today. I think it worked quite well.

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The small dents are still underneath the roof wrap and the 8 silicone caps do bulge as expected. But overall it looks nicely finished and I do prefer the look to the factory blue.
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JejuSoul
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:23 pm

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beanman - please keep writing these reports - its really interesting to read.
Your car is a good buy. It can easily do your 20km commute. Paying 10k USD is a great price.
Can you post the last 5 digits of the VIN so I can work out the manufacturing date.

"Min/max percentage deterioration at 0" - this means a battery reset or battery replacement has occurred recently.
Kia should know this - it is odd that they tell you nothing.

Battery calibration should occur once your car charges back up. Please let us know the updated numbers.

You write - "So, 6 additional cabs were purchased through auction I understand last Wednesday. They are all 2016 just back from kia with refurbished batteries". Do you have any more details on these? Price? Odometer?
The codes for using Torque Pro can be found by clicking the link in the website icon under my user name on the left.

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:38 am

While it's obvious that the BMS was reset on my unit prior to the dealer taking possession, no one has been able to confirm who or why.

I just got the image links in my last post above working the way I want.

I was able to get some warranty replacement information from KIA: (last 6 VIN digits 015289)

Car Registered - August 10, 2016 (warranty start date)

Replace / Repair:
    AC Condenser Replacement 2017 July
    Expansion Valve 2017 August (related to A/C)
    Heater September 2017
    EV BMS logic improvement (firmware) September 2017
    OV Charger update (firmware?) September 2017
    ECM update (firmware?) September 2017

I called Kia back this week just to see if they omitted anything (apparently they weren't even supposed to tell me that much information). They only confirmed again that no battery was replaced and the last warranty service was September 2017

The newer battery replaced cars are at Redline Motors (on southcreek rd) in Mississauga and Jazauto in Oakville. ~130,000km ~$13,000+

Looking forward to updated BMS numbers from my unit after re-calibration and will report here. Do I need to charge back to full?

notfred
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:48 am

Yes, you need to charge from under 20% to 100% in one go for calibration.

ksoul2084
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:08 am

@beanman your car looks great and I also feel like you got a good deal. Also your pictures confirm that I'm not crazy and the factory hood colour is the 1D / flat white vs the Pearl White the rest of the car has. :)

An update on my auction Soul.

Things I have done/fixed:
    - Extreme detailed the interior, the leather seats, carpet, roofliner all look fresh and clean now. The steering wheel is "clean" but was extremely worn and had been spray painted at some point, with overspray on the buttons etc. Added a new cover to the wheel for now.
    - Removed the taxi-devices and bulk of the wiring. I left one big bundle under the dash tucked out of the way and labelled as "former-taxi" for future reference. It's not hurting anything there. I also removed the giant power that went from the under-hood distribution box through the firewall into the cab.
    - Tweaked the front bumper and rock guard alignment. Seems like the bumper was put on in haste.
    - Removed the silver wrap over the headlights (it was partially coming off already) to expose the stock blue colouring, looks much better since my "silver" stripes were already messed up.
    - Passed the AB Out of Province inspection. So the brakes, alignment, tires, etc. are all good.

Still to be done:
    - Replacement side-mirror (used from a wrecker), this will correct a broken signal light and worn out mirror adjuster.
    - Replacement steering wheel (slightly used from a wrecker). This will provide a much nicer steering wheel with no spray paint, etc.
    - Replacement centre vent dash piece (from a wrecker). This will replace the piece with the holes in the dash.
    - Re-connect USB connection now that the Cdn firmware update has been made available for CarPlay.
    - See if I can figure out why the back-up camera isn't working (low priority).
I also contacted KIA Canada and switched the contact info for the remaining EV powertrain warranty to myself. They informed me that the car has an outstanding recall: "Campaign #170069 - PSEV OBC Logic Improvement and inspection and replacement" that will expire by Jan 2 2020.

My biggest issue right now is that I the A/C isn't working (heating works). I didn't realize this before because the weather was a bit cooler. The AC dash light turns on, the blower fan cranks up, but no cooling occurs and no power is being used by the climate system. The cooling fan behind the radiator never runs, and even while driving down the highway no cooling occurs. The climate self-diagnostic comes back with "00", so nothing there.

I tested the cooling fan relay yesterday as per the service manual and it failed, so replaced but no difference. Some people have reported fuse-box wiring issues elsewhere so today I'll take apart the fuse box and inspect the wiring inside it. Hopefully something simple like that, reading the service manual it appears that a "freon" recharge on this thing is very specialized and cannot be done with standard equipment.

I also captured some numbers using SoulEVSpy. I'm pretty new to this so if someone can provide some insight into what these mean I'd appreciate it.

    Battery SOC disp: 93.5%, actual: 89.1%, prec: 60.31%
    Battery energy: 390.3V
    Est. range: 75.0km.
    Battery accumulative charge current: 19600.6 Ah
    Battery available charge power: 71.83 kW
    Battery available discharge power: 90 kW
    Battery min cell detoriation pct: 0
    Battery max cell detoriation pct: 33.2
    Battery SOH: 93.4%
    Odometer: 140516 km

Battery Map (parked car):
    Temps range from 18c to 20c.
    Most voltages are 4.06, one is 4.08, and two are 4.04.

beanman
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:40 am

Interesting and thank you.

Ksoul2084, someone knows those values much better than I. I'm initially concerned about the SOC display showing 93.5% and range is 75km, but the SOH at 94% sounds like a great sign.

I need to find a new wrecker in the GTA and see if I can find that dash replacement trim to rid myself of the screw holes. I've put a perfectly sized sticker there for now. Maybe they have a fob too.

I've contacted two kia dealerships and neither have gotten back to me about programming a second fob.

Can someone inform me about the process of doing a Canadian fw upgrade and if it's free? edit: actually I see some action on that on another thread.

Thank you. Battery should be all charged in an hour or so. UPDATE: charged and SOH still at 110%, GOM range read 119km, but I just drove 10km and it shows 113km now. Deterioration values still at 0... so doesn't look like anything recalibrated yet in regards to the BMS.
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warren55
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Re: Thinking of getting a higher mileage 2016

Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:02 pm

Well I will go on record that this is the most entertainment we've seen in this forum for as long as I've been following it. Keep it up, we need to liven things up around here! ;)

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