Calaveras
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Looking for my Second EV

Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:36 pm

I am looking at a few 2017 Soul EV and they are about $3000 more than a 2017 Leaf with 30kWh pack.

I am active on the Leaf forum, but am wanting to give the Kia a closer look. Is the price difference due to more that a glut of Leafs on the market and the bad reputation of the Leaf battery?

My history with EV:
I bought a 2016 Nissan Leaf in 2017 and have put 25,000 miles on it in 2 years. I like it and plan on keeping it until it no longer gets me home.
It is the base model without Quick Charging port.
I got a good deal ($13,000) and it suits my commute of 50 miles per day. There is a level 2 charger within a mile walk of work which I use occasionally but mostly charge with a Juicebox level 2 in the garage at home.
My wife and driving age son like it and our diesel VW is going to be retired after 250,000 miles.
We could take turns using the EVSE and make it work.

We live up the mountain and commute down hill. With the 24 kWh currently at (82% SOH-LeafSpy) I can make it using 65% charge. 20% down and 45% back up the canyon. Of course it is worse in cold weather which is not common. (California)
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017 24 kWh no QC
2017 Soul EV + bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

warren55
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:42 pm

I had a 2013 Leaf for a couple years, and I loved it...except for the styling. It probably comes down to how you feel about the Leaf vs. a Soul, but the difference is not great EXCEPT the warranty. The 10 year, 100,000 mile warranty on the traction battery was the deciding factor for me, after the styling. It's also nice that the Soul has a QC port standard, but I have yet to use it.
Range is definitely better in the Soul over the 24Kwh Leaf, but the 30 Kwh...? As for degradation, there are plenty of reports of owners getting new batteries here.

JejuSoul
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:42 am

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I looked on Craigslist to find the comparison price for the two cars you mention.
A 2017 Soul EV and a 2017 N issan L eaf.
I assume you live near Los Angeles, so that's where I looked first.
Yes, in Los Angeles the Soul EV seems more expensive. I think that is because there are few of them.
But, when I looked in San Francisco the two seemed to be the same price. About 16,000 dollars.
For the same money the Soul EV is the better car, but the difference is small. I would not pay $3,000 extra.
And there's many to choose from
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cta?query=soul+ev
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/cta ... issan+leaf

I am curious about the fact that 2011 L eafs go for 4,000 dollars or less.
That is possibly a really good deal if you are willing to take the out-of-warranty risk.
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Calaveras
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:38 am

Thanks @jujusoul

I live in the mountains East of Sacramento, so the Soul EV is rare compared to the Leaf and Spark.
I am wanting to try a different EV than the Leaf. I have a 2016 and am not concerned about a warranty.

My only concern is will the range be sufficient in 3-4 years?

My current 24kWh pack is doing great for my commute, but without QC I am stuck close to home.

I am not willing to pay for a 60 kWh pack that I will only utilize 4-5 times per year

The sweet spot seems around 100 mile range with QC capability.

I was willing to wait a year until more cars come off lease from 2018, but the prices of the 2017 I am starting to see are good at around$17,000.
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017 24 kWh no QC
2017 Soul EV + bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

warren55
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:26 am

A couple things to consider: Is there a Kia dealer near you that is certified to work on EV's? As you know, there isn't a lot of maintenance with an EV, but if your OBC goes bad (which does seem to be common with these) you'll need to get it to a dealer who can deal with it.
The other thing to consider is the that the 2018 model got an upgrade to a 30KWh usable capacity battery, increasing the range to well over 100 miles. That said, I get a little over 100 miles of range out of my 2016 driving conservatively.

JejuSoul
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:09 pm

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I have a 2015 that still has 100% SOH and can easily drive over 100 miles in all seasons here. ( We don't have cold winters, so no winter tires or snow to deal with. ) A 2018 with the slightly larger battery would be more likely to do that in colder weather, and probably the battery would last a bit longer too.

Looking again at Craigslist I don't see any 2018s on sale. Perhaps they are too new, but also there may be very few of them in California. Kia shifted focus on sales away from California to the Pacific North West a few years ago seemingly because the battery lasts a lot better in the cooler climate.
There are many reported cases of battery replacement in Southern California and especially Arizona.

The car on Craigslist I liked best is this one - 2017 KIA Soul EV Hatchback $14,000 (santa rosa)
Only 10k miles. Looks in good condition, and a decent spec.
I don't know the full spec of the EV- cars, but would be wary that they do not have heat pumps or battery warmers which may be needed for your location.
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Calaveras
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:28 am

Thanks for the tips

I am 70 miles from a Dealer.

The $14,000 Soul is a good price. I will check it out.

That is about 1K more that a 2017 Leaf with the 30 kWh battery. I suspect after 5 years of driving the rang in both will be about the same?
I have not driven the Soul yet. I need to do that this weekend.
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017 24 kWh no QC
2017 Soul EV + bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

Calaveras
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:35 am

I just test drove a Soul EV.
We liked it.
I found out that the warranty on the fatter is only 5 years for a second owner.
I did not get the price that I wanted, so the hunt continues
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017 24 kWh no QC
2017 Soul EV + bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

warren55
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:20 pm

Everything I have read says that the EV system (which includes the battery and OBC) is covered for 10 years/100,000 miles to any owner. The powertrain warranty is only good for 5 years to the second owner and on. That would be axles, trans-axle, bearings, etc.

Calaveras
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Re: Looking for my Second EV

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:21 pm

I just made a deal for a 2017 + with low miles for $15,500.

The dealer confirmed that the second owner only gets 5 year warranty on the battery for degradation to 70%

I was not able to check the SOH with the Bluetooth dongle, which comes in the mail tomorrow, but there will still be more than 3 years on the original warranty.
2016 Leaf S bought used in 2017 24 kWh no QC
2017 Soul EV + bought in 2019 for spouse.
Daily commute is 55 miles round trip with a 1,900 foot elevation climb on the way home. Gold Country California

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