notfred
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Re: Soul Spy?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:39 am

Ah OK. I was hoping that there might be a list of CAN PIDs on there as well.

I'm not sure it is going to be that simple to pull the PIDs from just simply sniffing the bus as I suspect the individual battery voltages would not be sent on the bus normally, just an overall state of charge from the BMS to the other CPUs and it would only be with the diagnostic software that the PIDs were sent. It would be great to sniff the bus when the Kia Diagnostic software was plugged in, that would make it a lot easier!

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Re: Soul Spy?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:05 pm

I'm looking for a cheap (but working) CAN-to-USB interface where I could connect to both CAN networks. Suggestions?
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Re: Soul Spy?

Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:50 pm

Looking thorough the service manual I find references to 3 CAN systems. The first two are the ones we can connect to from inside the car. The third is presumably connected from under the hood. All 3 are connected to cluster. (display screen in front of the driver)

Chassis CAN or C Can is the main one. It seems to connect to everything.
Multimedia CAN or M CAN It connects to the speakers and amp. There is no mention of UVO systems at all in the service manual. Must be another manual.
Body CAN or B CAN. Contains the functions for starting the car. It connects the BCM (Body Control Module) to the BMS (Battery Management System) and SMK (Smart Key)

I have found no reference to an H CAN. Doesn't mean it is not there because I do not have all the manuals.
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Re: Soul Spy?

Wed Sep 16, 2015 5:26 pm

Sorry for the rather big image, this is pages 1-7 from the Data Link Details section of the ETM (electrical) manual from KiaTechInfo. You'll see how the different buses are connected (high-level), this is rather interesting to see what is connected to which bus. Page 6 is the OBD2 connector.

JejuSoul : H-CAN is on page 5. I was looking for UVO too, never saw any mention too. I guess it is internal to the A/V unit, which we don't have any info on except on the connector level. Here in Canada, we don't have UVO.

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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:15 am

SiLiZiUMM wrote:I borrowed an OBD Bluetooth device last Friday from a colleague just to quickly check what I could see on the bus. I had no much time on hand, but the reader was able to see 2 ECUs.

Unfortunately I cannot continue for a while because we had an accident on Tuesday with the Soul (rear end impact) :( The car was only 4 weeks old. As we had to wait forever to get the car, we will probably have to wait forever to have it repaired!

edzee3: I would be probably interested in those manuals as well. Is it the same info that can be found on http://www.kiatechinfo.com/ ?



Sorry to hear of your accident. I hope everyone was ok...
I'm curious - how did the car hold up? I've wondered how the Soul would perform in a rear impact scenario given it is quite short. I'm considering this vehicle (the EV) to replace a second car, for use mostly around the city. It would have a car seat or two in the back... we live in the GTA (Toronto) and drivers around here... well... not the greatest.

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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:45 am

2016Electric wrote:
SiLiZiUMM wrote:I borrowed an OBD Bluetooth device last Friday from a colleague just to quickly check what I could see on the bus. I had no much time on hand, but the reader was able to see 2 ECUs.

Unfortunately I cannot continue for a while because we had an accident on Tuesday with the Soul (rear end impact) :( The car was only 4 weeks old. As we had to wait forever to get the car, we will probably have to wait forever to have it repaired!

edzee3: I would be probably interested in those manuals as well. Is it the same info that can be found on http://www.kiatechinfo.com/ ?



Sorry to hear of your accident. I hope everyone was ok...
I'm curious - how did the car hold up? I've wondered how the Soul would perform in a rear impact scenario given it is quite short. I'm considering this vehicle (the EV) to replace a second car, for use mostly around the city. It would have a car seat or two in the back... we live in the GTA (Toronto) and drivers around here... well... not the greatest.


The car is very well build, it was my GF driving at that moment and she was fine. She felt safe during the impact. The current problem is the parts availability, it's under repairs since Aug 12 now (accident was on Aug 11). The good thing is that most body parts are the same as on the gas version, but there are small differences that makes the repairs longer for now (the bumper, to name a few). 2 weeks ago, we were told that some electrical harness needed a replacement, and it was BO for 4-5 weeks. Meanwhile, we are still driving a Soul EV (a white one) thanks to EEKO Rentals based in Montreal! All paid by the insurance :mrgreen:
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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 5:38 am

The car is very well build, it was my GF driving at that moment and she was fine. She felt safe during the impact. The current problem is the parts availability, it's under repairs since Aug 12 now (accident was on Aug 11). The good thing is that most body parts are the same as on the gas version, but there are small differences that makes the repairs longer for now (the bumper, to name a few). 2 weeks ago, we were told that some electrical harness needed a replacement, and it was BO for 4-5 weeks. Meanwhile, we are still driving a Soul EV (a white one) thanks to EEKO Rentals based in Montreal! All paid by the insurance :mrgreen:


Glad to hear she is ok (GF) and glad to hear the car held up well. I'm assuming then that there was no intrusion into the back seat area...
BTW, how's the public charging infrastructure in Quebec? Ours around TO is .. fairly under-developed.
I'll be curious to see what kind of range you get over the winter. I'm waiting on some real world info about that before proceeding.

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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:16 am

SiLiZiUMM: Thanks for the extra images from the electrical manual. And hope you get you car back soon.

It seems the H Can is the databus for Chademo fast charging. I would have no particular interest in hacking this. But clearly others do.
See this post Quick Charge Power to offer CHAdeMO DC Fast Charging upgrade at https://chargedevs.com/newswire/quick-c ... r-rav4-ev/

The bottom comment on that page - Please develop this for Kia Soul Ev too I believe us Canucks would love to have these on our base models, luxury just never came out this way!
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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 10:52 am

I have a fantasy of a Chademo jump start cable, connect 2 EVs together and use the power from one to charge the battery of another. Not sure I want to stand next to it while it happens :)

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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:43 pm

2016Electric wrote:Glad to hear she is ok (GF) and glad to hear the car held up well. I'm assuming then that there was no intrusion into the back seat area...
BTW, how's the public charging infrastructure in Quebec? Ours around TO is .. fairly under-developed.
I'll be curious to see what kind of range you get over the winter. I'm waiting on some real world info about that before proceeding.


Indeed, the back seat is 100% correct, the trunk got the impact. I have some pictures here (in french): http://menu-principal-forums-aveq.10973 ... 32396.html

The public charging infrastructure is really great here, and it's developing very fast! We now something like 30 Level 3 chargers in the province (we have 2 in Quebec City), and a lot of level 2 chargers (over 700 I think). I hope Ottawa would get one soon, my sister lives accross the river (in Gatineau)!
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