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Re: Hyundai AE (All Electric) to be available before Chevy BOLT

Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:12 pm

I have 2 confirmations on a french forum that the IoniQ Electric can charge at 7,3kW. :idea:
but no Torque picture for now (perhaps an EVSE screen reading).

In France, we have a 230v AC 50Hz grid.
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Re: Hyundai AE (All Electric) to be available before Chevy BOLT

Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:08 pm

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Both the B olt EV and I oniq EV use LG Chem batteries. Here in Korea demand for both far outstrips supply. I had previously blamed the car companies for not ordering enough batteries. I believe LG Chem has the capacity to produce more if they were paid to do so.

But here is an interesting comment by mg under the PushEVs article - New details on the 2018 Nissan Leaf
On the side note: very interesting point about not reaching a deal with LG when appearently the chemistry company in recent years was willing to sign a supply contract for cells for any passible ev. Along with some reports about production constraints circulating about I oniq and current scale of LG-propelled EVs production(Bolt with production of about 3k/month(US+CA+Nor+stock building), Zoe(4k), I oniq(1.2k and reportedly increasing production), Volt(2,5 k/month), + couple of other cars) I’m estimating that the are at about 600MWh/month(or 7GWh/yr) – and given that they are also obligated to deliver even more for current clients(Bolt was reported to be able to deliver up to 50k this year so about 4.2k/month) they might by already capacity constrained for at least time needed to finish the current expansion(US, China factory expansion, Polish factory construction). That would also lower my previous estimations of current LG capacity(from 10 GWh to about 8GWh/yr), and for capacity at the end of 2019(from 20 to about 17 GWh/yr)


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Got to see a lot of I oniq EVs this weekend at the local convention center. 110 of them!

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Here's a group of 18 waiting to charge. Along with one Chademo rescue truck.

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Re: Hyundai AE (All Electric) to be available before Chevy BOLT

Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:01 pm

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Latest US sales figures for the B olt EV show the sales static at about 1,500 / month. In California inventory is about 6,000.
Hence production is about 2,500 month or 30,000 / year. Exactly what they planned to produce.
see - LG Chem sees GM selling over 30,000 Bolt electric vehicles next year

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And for the I oniq Hybrid and I oniq Electric. Current production and sales for the Electric are about 1,200 / month. There is no inventory. Order backlog is 6 months everywhere. The production matches what they planned, but they are being forced to increase by the Korean government to clear the long waiting lists in Korea. That must be done to fulfil the government 2017 sales targets, given that the I oniq Electric is by far the most popular EV in Korea.
see - Hyundai Motor Company Increases Production Capacity of IONIQ Electric by 50%

The charts are for worldwide sales. Local at the top, rest of the world underneath.

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Just for comparison here are the stats for the N iro Hybrid. It is selling twice as fast as the I oniq Hybrid. (43,000 this year so far, compared to 20,000)

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For all Hyundai vehicles the monthly sales data is here - http://worldwide.hyundai.com/WW/Corpora ... index.html
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Re: Hyundai AE (All Electric) to be available before Chevy BOLT

Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:03 am

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The 2018 B olt EV went on sale here in Korea today. GM sold out their entire yearly quota (5000 cars) within 2 hours. Quite impressive.

Edit: Here's a report that states it was 3 hours not 2. - http://auto.hankyung.com/article/201801181895g

Edit2: Seems those 5, 000 cars ordered must actually be delivered in the 2 months after the application in order to get a government subsidy. Can GM meet this deadline? - South Korean Government Changes Standards for Payment of Subsidy for Electric Vehicles
Hyundai will fail to meet the deadline on all the 8,000 orders for its new Hyundai K ona, because that car won't even be released until May.
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Re: Hyundai AE (All Electric) to be available before Chevy BOLT

Tue May 08, 2018 9:28 pm

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Seems Hyundai in North America is spreading a story about a Global Battery Shortage.
I have strong doubts that this is the real reason for the shortage of I oniq EVs in the US and Canada.

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Here in Korea there has been no news of any halt to the production of the I oniq EV, nor recent news of a battery shortage.
The brand new I oniq EV I saw a few days ago had a VIN ending in *29624

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Hyundai has produced about 30,000 I oniq EVs in 2 years.
I would guess that this is exactly the number they budgeted for 3 or 4 years ago when they ordered the cells from LG Chem.
Battery factories take years to build. They do not suddenly appear.

If there is a 3 month halt to global exports, it is more likely due to Hyundai's desire to fill Korean orders quickly.
The Korean subsidy system is a first come first served system based on actual deliveries.
There are far more people wanting EVs than there are subsidies available, hence the desire to fill orders quickly.
This was the reason Kia brought forward the launch of the N iro EV, and why GM is currently prioritizing export of the B olt EV to Korea.

We will know soon enough about the state of I oniq production. The data is easily available.
For all Hyundai vehicles the monthly sales data is here - http://worldwide.hyundai.com/WW/Corpora ... index.html

And for Norwegian sales : Norwegian Ioniq EV registrations
In the first 4 months of this year Hyundai sold 861 I oniq EVs in Norway

Latest Korean data is here : Link to a Korean News Site
In the first 4 months of this year Hyundai sold 3,406 I oniq EVs out of a total of 5,132 EVs.

The US is not the most important for Hyundai : April 2018 Plug-In Electric Vehicle Sales Report Card
In the first 4 months of this year Hyundai sold 119 I oniq EVs in the US.

My opinion is that it is a sensible decision by Hyundai / Kia to prioritize other markets than the US.
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