iletric
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27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Thu Apr 07, 2016 1:09 pm

Yep, just like the title says.

I was waiting for the battery to heat up to see what kind of range I'll be looking at next summer. Well, we got a summer preview yesterday, 90-degree day and warm evening. Charged it up still warm and went from the "winter" 81 miles to 86 miles. Not enough to do my 82-mile commute. I could do it last summer with the starting range of 91-94 miles...

No more. Signing off on Kia Soul EV. It's now our Costco car like the Leaf was way back when.

wrickcook
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:32 pm

That's a drag. 27k is not that old. Do you think it just charged to 80% or anything?
Is your miles/kWh look low? I usually have between 3.5 - 4.5 miles per kWh.

Mine is a 2016. I live in Seattle, and over the winter I got as low as 69 miles. Now that is it is in the 70s I am showing 96 miles.
Luckily my wife just has a 45mi round trip commute.
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iletric
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Thu Apr 07, 2016 2:44 pm

That is why I lease and don't buy. Learned my lesson well with the Leaf 1.

I NEVER charge anything other than 100%. I don't believe it makes any difference in battery longevity. In fact GM says 100% at all times (Spark). I mean, these cars have barely any decent range as it is, so 80% makes no sense to me.

Can't wait for Bolt/Leaf 2. Just hoping there will be a choice, meaning Nissan is not gonna wait too long rolling out their new ware. They have to keep quiet, or no one will buy their 2016 30 kWh. By next year (2017) anything with a 60 kWh battery wins, and everyone else will be scratching their heads and playing catch-up.

AndY1
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:27 pm

iletric wrote:Yep, just like the title says.

I was waiting for the battery to heat up to see what kind of range I'll be looking at next summer. Well, we got a summer preview yesterday, 90-degree day and warm evening. Charged it up still warm and went from the "winter" 81 miles to 86 miles. Not enough to do my 82-mile commute. I could do it last summer with the starting range of 91-94 miles...

No more. Signing off on Kia Soul EV. It's now our Costco car like the Leaf was way back when.


That's pretty bad. My 2012 Ampera (European Chevy Volt), with 103.000km behind her, still has the same EV range as new.

I guess, having liquid cooled/heated battery is paying off. The car never allows it to heat above 30°C. If it reaches 31°C, it starts the AC, which cools the battery coolant and cools the battery back to 24°C. It does that 24/7 - when parked (plugged in or not), when charging and when driving.
It can also heat the battery in winter if needed, with a 1.8kW heater, which heats up the battery coolant and the coolant heats the battery cells. The heating starts if the battery temperature falls bellow 8°C and it heats it back up to 14°C.

Maybe you should take a look at the new Chevy Bolt EV this fall, which will have 200+miles of range and it's battery will be liquid cooled/heated as well.

mtndrew1
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Fri Apr 08, 2016 9:08 am

Is this achieved range on a full charge or guess-o-meter prediction?

My car is terribly pessimistic with the GOM. A few weeks ago I had an 85 mile predicted range on a full charge and proceeded to drive it for 93 miles with 11% SOC remaining at freeway speeds with the HVAC on.

Are you actually doing drives and comparing how SOC depletion compares with miles traveled?

2016Electric
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Fri Apr 08, 2016 2:02 pm

iletric wrote:Yep, just like the title says.

I was waiting for the battery to heat up to see what kind of range I'll be looking at next summer. Well, we got a summer preview yesterday, 90-degree day and warm evening. Charged it up still warm and went from the "winter" 81 miles to 86 miles. Not enough to do my 82-mile commute. I could do it last summer with the starting range of 91-94 miles...

No more. Signing off on Kia Soul EV. It's now our Costco car like the Leaf was way back when.



So, have you gone to Kia and had the battery tested for remaining / current capacity? I'm curious what it is at and the range seems to be causing you serious usage issues...

JejuSoul
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:40 am

iletric : it is disappointing that your Soul EV has lost capacity so fast. It would be great if you could give us more data on what the actual deterioration is. You have driven the furthest and seem to have the most loss of range so far.

AndY1: I was interested in your comments about the Volt, so I checked the data. Look here - https://avt.inl.gov/vehicle-button/2013-chevrolet-volt
The Volt does do much better then the Leaf in Phoenix Arizona. Active cooling clearly works in a very hot climate. But if you compare the deterioration for the EV miles driven the Volt does no better than other Lithium Ion batteries not in Phoenix. I was curious to see if LG Chem's battery was better than SK Inno's. The Volt, Bolt and Ioniq will all be LG Chem. The Soul EV is SK Inno. I see no difference in the data.
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AndY1
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Sat Apr 09, 2016 4:51 am

The difference is, that when new, by default the Volt1/Ampera charges/discharges in a 22% - 85.9% SOC window, never to 100%. It compensates the battery degradation by charging to the higher SOC.

In my case, with almost 4 years old car and 103.000km driven, the SOC window has increased to 22%-89% SOC.

That means, that the usable energy capacity and driving range is still the same and it will be the same, until the upper SOC window will reach 100% (22%-100% SOC). And it looks like that's going to take some time in my case, if after 100.000k, it's at 89% from 85.9% when it was new.

iletric
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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Mon Apr 11, 2016 6:58 pm

mtndrew1 wrote:Is this achieved range on a full charge or guess-o-meter prediction?
GOM of course. It has always been right on. Huge improvement from Leaf 1.0, that one was all over the map. Soul GOM is very good, and so is Spark's.

Looking forward to November - Bolt plus Leaf 2.0 announcement. See what Nissan has up its sleeve. For now I'm ICEing, as much as I don't like doing it and Soul sits, while Spark is being brought up to 45,000 miles to be returned in August.

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Re: 27,000 miles 86-mile range; my Soul EV commute is over

Mon Apr 11, 2016 9:13 pm

In my testing the GOM improves with use. Your number may not be accurate if you haven't driven the car for a few months.
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