SoulEV2016
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Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:26 pm

Tools to build that : viewtopic.php?p=5039#p5039
Required : Nissan Chademo 43kW Station

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40-84% = 21 min (13,2 kWh)
84-94% = 16 min (3,1 kWh)

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67-84% = 9 min
94-94% = 13 min

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47-84% = 18 min
84-94% = 13 min

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original source : http://www.automobile-propre.com/forums ... tml#p68545
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Birkeland
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:08 am

Thanks for those graphs!

It looks by your graphs that the charge current drops when the SOC reaches about 72-76%. We pay by the minute when charging with Chademo as I guess You do too, so from an economic perspective, it seems like it is most cost effective to charge to between 72-76% right before the charging power starts to drop. Thanks for the info:)
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:09 am

info : in France, the new Kia 2017 don't have the cut at 84% ...
it charge from 0 to 94% in one shot.
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:29 pm

SoulEV2016 wrote:info : in France, the new Kia 2017 don't have the cut at 84% ... it charge from 0 to 94% in one shot.

That depends on the external charger as well as the car. In Korea the Ioniq Electric also charges on Chademo straight to 94%. But in my usage the charger stopped at 84% at four of the 8 different chargers I tested.

We pay by the kWh so it doesn't make any money difference to plug in again and carry on to 94%.
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Tue Oct 11, 2016 1:33 pm

Other graphic from a Chademo charger with telemetric log in the customer account.
It's the Kia Soul EV 2017 (45 to 94% in 1 shot).

In France : Charge cost in 15min timing (no kWh) = 3,5 Euros.

source : http://www.automobile-propre.com/forums ... tml#p72778

If you look closely, you see the moment when the car switch from 390v to 394v for the constant voltage demand.

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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Sat Oct 15, 2016 12:05 am

The Kia Soul EV can charge at rates greater than 50kW if you can find such a c harger.

At KIA Europe's headquarters in Frankfurt there are two SIGNET 100 kW c hargers based behind closed doors - only for registered Soul EV users.
Despite being for Kia Soul EV only these two c hargers are dual head Chademo and CCS --- see Kia Installs First 100 kW CHAdeMO DC Fast Chargers In Europe
Here in Korea every Kia and Hyundai garage I have been to has had Chademo only fast c hargers.

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Here's an image of a Soul EV pulling 63kW --- see http://www.goingelectric.de/forum/kia-s ... ml#p277579

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There also now seems to be a series of public c hargers in Norway that can charge at the higher rates. --- see https://www.minioniq.no/faq

I ONIQ will get fastest in its class rapid charging of up to 70 kW charging capacity. A nationwide network of fast c hargers that 70 kW + is under development and we make it possible to run I ONIQ from Oslo to Trondheim simply by charging less than 1 hour in total (3x19 min). Super Quick C harger for I ONIQ already exists in Vestby, Storebaug west (Moss), Svinesundparken (Halden), Grelland West (Vestfold), Lillehammer, Aurland, Lom, Dovre, Bjorli, Hjerkinn, Oppdalsporten (Fagerhaug) On other fast-charging stations, the capacity is limited to the c harger capacity (normally 50 kW)


A question for the Norway users. Are these new 70kW c hargers Chademo as well as CCS?
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Sun Oct 16, 2016 3:20 am

I know the chargers from a company called Arctic Roads in Norway (currently 12 chargers, will have 388 chargers in hopefully near future) have both CHAdeMO and CSS. The chargers offers 120kW, but if a car charges with more than 50kW, it is not possible for another EV to charge at the same time. But both CHAdeMO and CSS can be used as long as the charge current is less than 50kW. Other than that, there is mostly 50kW CHAdeMO chargers.
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Sun Oct 16, 2016 6:13 am

Thanks Birkeland.
The 12 c hargers mentioned by Hyundai are the same 12 Arctic Roads c hargers you talk about. You can see them all on the Arctic Roads website.
I was hoping that Hyundai would be providing the infrastructure much as T esla does with their SuperC harger network but it seems not.
see - Arctic Roads Opens 120 kW EV charger to the public - it is in English. Click Ladesteder on the top to get a Google Map with the location of these c hargers.
Having 400 of these stations in Norway in the near future would be really amazing. Currently Korea has nothing greater than 50kW.

The Kia Soul EV can charge at these c hargers. We have commented before that they can draw up to 70kW from these.

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Here is a photo I took at a Hyundai c harger at at Hyundai service centre here in Korea.
There is a slow charging charging L2 connector on the left and a Chademo on the right.

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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:00 am

One thing that's usefull when you have torque pro with obd2 reader ... is this : you can see the restriction at the car (from temperature or profil of the driving).

Chademo is restricted by that, too ...
when you drive fast, the restriction don't evolve quickly.

Perhaps, in the futur, i can travel to a 100kW Chademo and view this restriction in action.
For now, i only have 43kW Chademo charge station.

90km/h at 6°C, short trip.
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154km/h at 13°C, long trip.
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Re: Somes graphics about Chademo Charge Station.

Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:12 am

Switzerland has some faster charging stations too. Tom from the German forum reported he used one today. http://www.goingelectric.de/forum/kia-s ... ml#p409529

This one is a 60kW c harger in Bern --- http://postparc.ch/tanken-sie-strom-im-postparc
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This one is 150kW at the Gotthard pass --- http://www.gofastcharge.com/de/
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