Onaix
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Soul Spy?

Tue Dec 16, 2014 7:47 pm

Someone have made a Leaf Spy app where you can read SOC, voltage on each cell, GIDS etc. But we should have an equal app for the kia soul! I unfortunately can't programming, or else i would have made it in a heartbeat.
So i hope that if there are any programmers with the kia they would make this!
Norway (Oslo) Sorry if my English isn't the best!
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SiLiZiUMM
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:06 pm

Hi,

I was looking for a tool like LEAF Spy for the Soul EV. To my understanding so far (including this post!), it doesn't exist.. yet! I am a programmer and I've worked with CAN Bus over the past, this project seems interesting!

We just pre-ordered a Soul a few weeks ago. It should arrive between 3-6 months! I can't wait to receive it so I can start working on this project!
Pierre-Étienne Messier
Directeur Adjoint AVÉQ (http://www.aveq.ca/) - Capitale-Nationale
Québec, QC, Canada
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TomT
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Mar 22, 2015 6:58 pm

Actually, it is harder and takes more time than you might think. Since none of the buss data is documented, it all has to be reverse engineered... The programming is actually the relatively easy part...

Onaix wrote:Someone have made a Leaf Spy app where you can read SOC, voltage on each cell, GIDS etc. But we should have an equal app for the kia soul! I unfortunately can't programming, or else i would have made it in a heartbeat.
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Turbo3
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Location: San Jose, CA

Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:12 am

Being the author of LeafSpy I would agree that the majority of the work is in reverse engineering the CAN bus messages.

For the Nissan Leaf there are actually three CAN buses available on the OBDII connector (CAR, EV and AV). If someone has access to a Service manual it could show the CAN bus structure used in the KIA Soul EV.

I have tools for capturing the CAN bus sequences but would need access to a KIA Soul EV.

AlKl
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Re: Soul Spy?

Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:05 am

Hello,
are there any news concerning a Soul Spy SW?
Has anyone access to a service manual or a good connection to a mechanic (CAN ID's or even better CAN database file)?

Best Regards,
AlKl

mtndrew1
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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:18 pm

If anyone needs a Soul EV in Los Angeles to experiment with, you're welcome to use mine, provided nothing warranty-voiding is going on.

edzee3
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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:30 pm

AIKI,
Regarding availability of a Soul EV service manual, please contact me at ed.zwieback@gmail.com
Ed
'15 Soul EV+, '10 Prius

SiLiZiUMM
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Re: Soul Spy?

Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:47 pm

I borrowed an OBD Bluetooth device last Friday from a colleague just to quickly check what I could see on the bus. I had no much time on hand, but the reader was able to see 2 ECUs.

Unfortunately I cannot continue for a while because we had an accident on Tuesday with the Soul (rear end impact) :( The car was only 4 weeks old. As we had to wait forever to get the car, we will probably have to wait forever to have it repaired!

edzee3: I would be probably interested in those manuals as well. Is it the same info that can be found on http://www.kiatechinfo.com/ ?
Pierre-Étienne Messier
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jcallan
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:25 pm

I started to look into this - I couldn't get any normal responses on the CAN on 7df, I wonder if I was using the wrong speed or something. The service manual has no info (as far as I can see) on OBD.

I randomly tried a Prius C database, and I got responses for 7e2 / 21xx, but I have no idea what the numbers mean!

Would really like to help create a SoulSpy App!

SiLiZiUMM
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:37 am

I registered for 72 hours on KiaTechInfo, interesting stuff in there for the price. I found some details about CAN:
  • I confirm what I've seen, there is 2 CAN links on the OBD-II connector (connectors are reverse pinout on the schematics, this is confusing, I'll use the same pinout as on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-board_diagnostics ).

    • Primary CAN is called C-CAN (Communication?), located on standard pins 6 (high) and 14 (low). From the other schematics, a lot of stuff is connected to C-CAN, including the main battery.
    • A secondary CAN is called M-CAN (Multimedia?), located on pins 1 (high) and 9 (low). From the schematics, at least the A/V navigation unit and the instrument cluser is connected to this bus.
    • Pin 12 is K-Line
    • Pin 3 is Vehicle Speed Signal

There are also other CAN networks, like H-CAN and B-CAN, but they are not available from the OBD-II port. So this is different from the Leaf, which has a dedicated EV-CAN. Here, the EV information will be splitted between the C-CAN and the M-CAN.

There is no information on CAN messages on the site (I would not expect this anyway) but all DTC codes are documented. The CAN bus speeds are also documented at the same place:
  • Speed : 1Mbit/s for high speed CAN (probably H-CAN), up to 125 kbit/s on low speed CAN
  • Using ISO 11898 standard

jcallan: Do you have an actual service manual for the 2015/2016 as a PDF document or something?
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Québec, QC, Canada
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