mtndrew1
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:19 pm

JejuSoul wrote:
mtndrew1 wrote:...As for the damage, the dealer cracked my instrument cluster lens (!) ..
Hmm. That doesn't sound possible during a tire rotation. Hope they gave you a good car during the 4 day repair.


I too am mystified at how they did that. They also got grease on my seats and scratched all four rims.

They gave me some Kia crapbox to drive around during this mess. I made my displeasure with the entire situation known all the way up the dealer's and Kia corporate's chain of command.

This experience has soured me on the Kia brand as a whole. I think I'm ready to move on to a premium brand to avoid sub-par service and I'm hoping that my Model 3 will be ready in time for my lease expiration this Fall.

SoulEV2016
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Wed Mar 08, 2017 12:48 pm

Perhaps, they use an old tire balancing machine ... ?

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Kia Soul EV 2016 Ultimate 27 kWh - Mountain hard driving (fast). Drain 1/3 of Battery after 32km. - Unlimited highway speed (153km/h at regulator).

mtndrew1
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:06 pm

This is a modern facility and they did not do a balance.

They simply do shoddy work, lie about damaging cars, and cater to the lowest common denominator (Kia Rio $79/mo customers). It's been the first time I've regretted buying my Soul EV.

Tom
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:17 am

Now I have:

7.2%
5.6%


23'900 Kilometer

Charged from 12% to 100% with again 6.6kWh in 4 hours 4 minutes
Battery 20° C after charging
Outside 7° C
KIA Soul EV with vented seats and Chademo
Until July 2015 i-MiEV 13'500km
Summer 2015; Sold my all year arround used Cadillac Seville STS

JejuSoul
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:16 am

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Some interesting data from the French Forum - Ca y est ! Elle est arrivée ...

On the 14th March. A 3 year old car bought used with only 3100km.

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The same car a week later after a few drives and charges

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It is possible that an unscrupulous dealer reset the BMS, but I very much doubt it.
The SOH is above 100% in both cases. There is nothing to hide.
I think that the car was genuinely at zero det when it was parked.
Over time det happens but the BMS cannot register this until a certain amount of driving and charging have taken place.
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Elmil
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:52 am

JejuSoul wrote:It is possible that an unscrupulous dealer reset the BMS, but I very much doubt it.
The SOH is above 100% in both cases. There is nothing to hide.
I think that the car was genuinely at zero det when it was parked.
Over time det happens but the BMS cannot register this until a certain amount of driving and charging have taken place.

The explanation is most likely that the battery had never been fully charged and cycled. For example, the dealer I bought my car from have a 20kW Chademo, which is used for their demo cars. They take some test rides and when needed they just plug it in and get it filled up... to 84%.
I doubt they ever use the slow e vse.

Last spring they let me have a loaner Soul EV. It had something between 1500 and 2000km on the odometer, and the deterioration numbers where all zero. After a slow charge at work from 51% to 100%, the deterioration numbers changed to Max 0.5 and Min 1.5 ...

For my car, it will pass 60000km tomorrow and I'll have service done in two weeks. Will report the SOH then.
Kia Soul EV 2015 / 115,543 km Sold
Kia Soul EV 2019

JejuSoul
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:29 pm

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There's a thread on the Canadian Kia Soul Facebook page discussing Battery Ageing.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/7837196 ... 483804867/

Some interesting comments
Scott Lockhart wrote:I'm curious to see how many km's people have on their cars so far. We're up around 85,000km, and so far it's been the standard repairs (OBC 3x in a row, steering pin, a seized caliper while waiting for the OBC, and I ripped the seat adjustment level off).
If there's been any degradation I think it's been minimal. There hasn't been any noticeable range drop..maybe 7km on average. First summer I could get the GOM to 195km, last summer about 185km, but we had also put on aftermarket rims and a spoiler by that point. Charge time is exactly the same as it was new. We do every little trick possible to treat the battery well, so hopefully it's paying off!

Ian Finlay wrote:I'll have had mine for 2 years this week, and I'm at 72,000km. Maintenance has been 0 (other than tire rotations, and 1 OBC replacement). I agree - don't think there has been little if any range change. L2 charge time is unchanged, but I'm starting to think there is an issue with L3 charging - above 80% is taking much longer and much more energy than I think it should (typically ~200w/1%, but above 81% it rises to 500w+/1%). I'm thinking about getting the batteries checked out to make sure everything is good.
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Elmil
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:39 am

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Last night my deterioration numbers took a step upwards. They are now:

Max 13.2
Min 11.7
Odometer 60266 km.
Kia Soul EV 2015 / 115,543 km Sold
Kia Soul EV 2019

JejuSoul
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Sun Mar 26, 2017 1:31 am

Elmil wrote:.
Last night my deterioration numbers took a step upwards. They are now:
Max 13.2
Min 11.7
Odometer 60266 km.
Thanks Elmil. As always your numbers are close together and rising slowly.
Currently it seems your car will drive about 200,000km before needing a replacement battery.

My trendline is much the same as yours, but my individual datapoints are much more varied. As they always have been.

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km            date              max         min
31,250   15-Feb-17         8.5          1.1
31,504   21-Feb-17         8.5          5.4
33,088   19-Mar-17        9.5          8.6
33,250   22-Mar-17        10.0        8.6
33,500   26-Mar-17        10.5        1.7
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Elmil
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Re: Battery Ageing Model

Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:15 am

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We are heading towards spring here in Sweden, with daytime temperatures of +18°C last few days (although it will snow the coming weekend.. :? ). It feels like getting milder temperatures after winter is triggering the deterioration updates. My values immediately bounced back and they are now:

Max 11.4
Min 9.9
Odometer 60400
Kia Soul EV 2015 / 115,543 km Sold
Kia Soul EV 2019

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