Elmil
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Jan 10, 2016 9:13 am

JejuSoul wrote:I use a KW902 ELM327 Bluetooth device with Torque for reading the OBD2 data. like this one
One minor annoyance I have is that the device does not start up when the car is off. (unless charging)
The error message I get is "Not connected to the ECU"
Torque works once the car is on and will continue to work when you turn it off. (unless you finish charging)
Do other devices behave the same way?

The reason this is annoying. I wanted to discover the 12V (aka auxiliary battery) battery drain after a 10 day vacation.
I took a reading for the 12V battery before I left. 14.5V whilst the car was on and then 13.5V when I turned the car off.
I couldn't take a reading on return with the car off. Hence I turned the car on to get torque working.
Presumably doing this also causes the 12V to recharge from the main battery.
The readings taken were 14.4V whilst the car was on and then 13.5V when I turned the car off.
Hence the 12V battery appears to suffer no voltage drain at all, which seems unlikely.

Is there any terminal mode in Torque? In that case you should be able to use the 'ATRV' command that returns the 12V battery voltage seen by the ELM dongle itself, even if there is no CAN communication.

A fully charged lead-acid battery will (when charging has stopped) eventually settle around 12.7-12.8V. This will however take a long time if there is no load connected, so to get a baseline measurement it's a good idea to e.g turn the headlights on for a minute or so (with no charging and not started obviously) first.
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SiLiZiUMM
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Re: Soul Spy?

Tue Jan 12, 2016 7:30 pm

JejuSoul wrote:I use a KW902 ELM327 Bluetooth device with Torque for reading the OBD2 data. like this one
One minor annoyance I have is that the device does not start up when the car is off. (unless charging)
The error message I get is "Not connected to the ECU"
Torque works once the car is on and will continue to work when you turn it off. (unless you finish charging)
Do other devices behave the same way?


On the Soul EV, most probably yes. It seems that the OBD port is not powered on when the car is off. I know zax123 was looking for a port that stays on when the car is off to make OVMS possible, I don't know how it's going so far.

JejuSoul wrote:The reason this is annoying. I wanted to discover the 12V (aka auxiliary battery) battery drain after a 10 day vacation.
I took a reading for the 12V battery before I left. 14.5V whilst the car was on and then 13.5V when I turned the car off.
I couldn't take a reading on return with the car off. Hence I turned the car on to get torque working.
Presumably doing this also causes the 12V to recharge from the main battery.
The readings taken were 14.4V whilst the car was on and then 13.5V when I turned the car off.
Hence the 12V battery appears to suffer no voltage drain at all, which seems unlikely.


The best here would be to use a multimeter to avoid a false reading (which would be caused because the 12V does not comes directly from the battery but from a power supply source with a voltage regulator). How do you take the reading with the ELM? Torque? AT RV command (this is probably what Torque use)? Data from 2101 command?

JejuSoul wrote:
SiLiZiUMM wrote:... the 12V battery was only at 71% charged when we got in the shop.
According to your OBD data immediately below this the auxiliary battery was reading 12.6V.Had they charged it up in the meantime?


Yes they did while I was waiting
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Re: Soul Spy?

Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:28 am

SiLiZiUMM wrote:...The best here would be to use a multimeter ...
Yes. I am using the value for Auxiliary Battery Voltage from the BMS (ECU-7E4 PID-2101). Using a multimeter would enable us to see how accurate the BMS reading is, and you can use it when the car is off. Next time that is what I will do.
Elmil wrote:...Is there any terminal mode in Torque? ...
I don't think so.

When the car is off the Konnwei adapter does draw power (red light) and will connect via bluetooth (blue light) but does not make a connection to the OBD (green and yellow lights). I have to turn the car on (or start charging) to wake up the ECU and start a connection.

This topic is also currently being discussed on the LeafSpy thread here - http://mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f ... start=1390

TimLee wrote:Depending on the adapter and which model year LEAF, leaving the adapter plugged in can increase the 12V drain by a factor of five to six.
On 2011 "normal" 12V drain was something like 20 to 30 milliAmp.
With bluetooth adapter plugged in I recall it was something like 185 milliAmp.
Plugged in adapter can cause a big 12V drain.
--- are you saying it pulls power even though it won't communicate with leafspy? ---
Yes, that is my understanding for the older Bluetooth OBDII devices.
But, depending on your driving frequency 12V may survive a while.
I used Bluetooth OBDII and did not unplug or do maintainer charging for more than a year.
But it did not do that second 12V battery much good.
Died with a bad cell at the 2 1/2 year mark.
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goev
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Re: Soul Spy?

Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:34 am

Hi guys,

I've found the commands for locking and unlocking the doors:

First we need to set the correct session mode
771 3 02 10 30 00 00 00 00 00
Then we get this response:
779 3 02 50 30 AA AA AA AA AA

To lock or unlock the car, we send this command:
771 8 2f bc 1[1:0] 03 00 00 00 00
And we get this response:
779 8 6f bc 1[1:0] 03 AA AA AA AA

Have any of you found out how to detect the lock-state of the doors? CAN ID 120 is not giving much info. Also I'm having trouble with my CAN-reader/analyzer as it started giving me just "garbage" a couple of days ago, so I haven't been able to do much analyzing :( It's not always best to go for the cheapest solution!

ZuinigeRijder
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:08 am

Is there still development on going for the SoulEVSpy? What are the plans?
Currently I have also received a Konnwei KW902 and I could connect it with Torque lite.
In this forum I see that you can get the battery status and temperatures with sending 2101 till 2105.
Which AT commands need to be send with an ELM 327 terminal app?

"AT Z", // Reset all
"AT I", // Print the version ID
"AT E0", // Echo off
"AT L0", // Linefeeds off
"AT SP 6", // Select protocol to ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 500 kbit/s)
"AT AL", // Allow Long (>7 byte) messages
"AT AR", // Automatically receive
"AT H1", // Headers on (debug only)
"AT S1", // Printing of spaces on
"AT D1", // Display of the DLC on
"AT CAF0", // Automatic formatting off

Is the protocol for the Soul EV atsp6?
And then send e.g. just 2101
What is the correct sequence of AT commands from the beginning to get the battery data?

goev
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:25 am

I think atsp6 is correct.

You could send AT SH 7e4 to tell the ELM-chip the id to send from and which to read response from.
Then you can send 21 01 to 21 05

TyrelHaveman
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:12 am

There hasn't been a lot of work on Soul EV Spy, but I have also been working on a similar project which is making fairly good progress.
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ZuinigeRijder
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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:31 am

TyrelHaveman wrote:There hasn't been a lot of work on Soul EV Spy, but I have also been working on a similar project which is making fairly good progress.


Is this a project targetting the Kia Soul EV? Can you share more information what the goals and features are?

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Re: Soul Spy?

Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:42 am

First some background of the Kia Soul EV I own. I bought my car one year old with 10.000 km driven. It was one of the first demo Kia Soul EV cars on the market in the Netherlands (2014-08-26). I do not have any clue how the car was driven the first year and how the charging behavior has been. Currently there is 18709 km driven with this car (so I drove 8709 km in ~4 months). When I did the measurement below, it was 0 degrees Celsius outside temperature, the State of Charge shown was 57% and the shown range was 65 km (70 km without using climate control).

I was able to get the OBDII data with the free "alOBD terminal" android app in combination with my Konnwei KW902 Bluetooth dongle:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.obd2.research

I did send the following commands (copy/paste of the terminal window):

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2 > atz
atzELM327 v1.5
3 > ati
atiELM327 v1.5
4 > atsp6
atsp6OK
5 > at sh 7e4
at sh 7e4OK
6 > 2101
210103D 0: 61 01 FF FF FF FF 1: 6E 23 28 23 28 03 00 2: 06 0E 2C 08 07 08 07 3: 07 07 07 00 08 BD 2B 4: BC 58 00 00 8E 00 01 5: 9C 94 00 01 A2 2C 00 6: 00 97 D2 00 00 95 13 7: 00 4A 2A DC 45 01 6B 8: 00 00 00 00 03 E8 00
7 > 2102
2102026 0: 61 02 FF FF FF FF 1: BD BD BD BD BD BD BD 2: BD BC BC BC BC BC BC 3: BD BC BC BC BC BC BC 4: BC BC BC BD BC BC BC 5: BC BC BC BC 00 00 00
8 > 2103
2103026 0: 61 03 FF FF FF FF 1: BC BC BD BC BC BC BC 2: BC BC BD BD BD BD BD 3: BD BD BD BD BD BD BD 4: BD BD BD BD BD BD BC 5: BC BC BC BC 00 00 00
9 > 2104
2104026 0: 61 04 FF FF FF FF 1: BC BC BC BD BC BC BC 2: BC BC BC BC BD BC BC 3: BC BC BC BC BD BC BC 4: BC BC BC BC BD BD BD 5: BD BD BD BD 00 00 00
10 > 2105
210502C 0: 61 05 FF FF FF FF 1: 00 00 00 00 00 07 07 2: 08 00 00 00 00 23 28 3: 23 28 00 01 50 00 00 4: 00 74 03 00 64 0F 72 5: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 6: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


I looked into the Kia Soul EV Can Messages google doc (downloaded and saved, so I could add my data and compute the values):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YYlZ-IcTQlz-LzaYkHO-7a4SFM8QYs2BGNXiSU5_EwI/edit#gid=0

Actually the worksheet tab BMC_Data describes 2101 and 2105.
Examples of Alex and Tyrell are in worksheet tab BMC_Compare
The BMC worksheet tab contains a description of the values and the multiply factor.

This is my data for 2101 in the same format as in BMC_Data:

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10   3D   61   01   FF   FF   FF   FF
21   6E   23   28   23   28   03   00
22   06   0E   2C   08   07   08   07
23   07   07   07   00   08   BD   01
24   BC   13   00   00   8E   00   01
25   9C   94   00   01   A2   2C   00
26   00   97   D2   00   00   95   13
27   00   4A   2B   54   45   01   6A
28   00   00   00   00   03   E8   00


And computed the values myself in Excel:

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State of Charge of Battery(BMS)   55.00   % (display = 57%)      
Available Charge Power   90.00   kW      
Available Discharge Power   90.00   kW      
Battery Current   6.00   Ah      
Battery DC Voltage   362.80   V      
Battery Module 1 Temperature   8.00   °C      
Battery Module 2 Temperature   7.00   °C      
Battery Module 3 Temperature   8.00   °C      
Battery Module 4 Temperature   7.00   °C      
Battery Module 5 Temperature   7.00   °C      
Battery Module 6 Temperature   7.00   °C      
Battery Module 7 Temperature   7.00   °C      
Battery Module 8 Temperature   8.00   °C      
Max Cell Voltage   3.78   V      
Max Cell Voltage No.   1.00         
Min Cell Voltage   3.76   V      
Min Cell Voltage No.   19.00         
Auxiliary Battery Voltage   14.20   V      
Cumulative Charge Current    10562.00   Ah      
Cumulative Discharge Current   10705.20   Ah      
Cumulative Charge Energy   3886.60   kWh      
Cumulative Discharge Energy   3816.30   kWh      
Cumulative Operating Time   4860756.00   Sec   56.26   days
Inverter Capacitor Voltage   36.20   V      
Isolation Resistance   1000.00   kOhm      


This is my data for 2105 in the same format as in BMC_Data:

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10   2C   61   05   FF   FF   FF   FF
21   00   00   00   00   00   07   07
22   08   00   00   00   00   23   28
23   23   28   00   01   50   00   00
24   00   74   03   00   64   0F   72
25   00   00   00   00   00   00   00
26   00   00   00   00   00   00   00


And computed the values myself in Excel:

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Battery Inlet Temperature   7.00   °C
Battery Min Temperature   7.00   °C
Battery Max Temperature   8.00   °C
Available Charge Power   90.00   kW
Available Discharge Power   90.00   kW
Airbag H/wire Duty   80.00   %
Battery Heater 1 Temperature   0.00   °C
Battery Heater 2 Temperature   0.00   °C
Max Deterioration   11.60   %
Max Deterioration Cell No   3.00   
Min Deterioration   10.00   %
Min Deterioration Cell No   15.00   
SOC Display   57.00   %


So it looks like the deterioration is already 11% with 18709 km driven. How does this compare with others?

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Re: Soul Spy?

Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:50 am

ZuinigeRijder wrote:Currently I have also received a Konnwei KW902 and I could connect it with Torque lite.
Hi ZuinigeRijder, welcome to the forum. I too have a Konnwei KW902. There is a copy of Torque Pro on the CD that comes with it. I have posted the commands needed to read the battery data with Torque Pro. It saves time converting all the data from hex.
ZuinigeRijder wrote:So it looks like the deterioration is already 11% with 18709 km driven. How does this compare with others?
We don't have much data (12 cars), but these values are in the same range as all the others (except 1 car in Switzerland). For example one car in Sweden driven 22160 km has max det 11.2%, min det 10.2%. We don't know how these values relate to actual deterioration in range because no-one has measured any yet. Posting the entire hex data is useful here because we may find a value for SOH (state of health) that has been zero in all previous datasets. There is a discussion of battery ageing in this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=434
The codes for using Torque Pro can be found by clicking the link in the website icon under my user name on the left.

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